Wood Bowl Five

Bangrrr · Post by **Bangrrr** » Sat Jan 10, 2009 10:58 pm

smitty wrote:...
Tub golf was exactly what I thought it would be. Safe to say I will play the "down under" course again the same day I play the "tub course".

I'm glad I stayed home to watch the Ravens win then.....

2K · Post by 2K » Sun Jan 11, 2009 10:12 am

Bangrrr wrote:I'm glad I stayed home to watch the Ravens win then.....

Bob......you could've played. We were done playing before the game started

the_lung · Post by **the_lung** » Sun Jan 11, 2009 1:14 pm

Thanks to all those who contributed towards this course and event - it was non-stop fun the whole day, with a simply stunning course, low entry fees, ctps, "Winfield local rules," very cool Kansas trophies, food, beer, campfires, etc. It was nice meeting Josh and Smitty from the PDGA board in person as well as all the other friendly people. Playing the course blind and down by two strokes to 2K going into the last hole (hole#20? #21? It's the one that plays to hole#1's basket) I was stoked to shoot the hyzer gap into the field, make a long approach to just short left of the basket, and then bang a 30-footer for a 3 to tie Kev who got into the woods left and took a 5.

What can I say about the Canyon course other than it's simply one of the most atypical courses for the region that I can imagine! After playing predominantly wide-open pancake-flat courses, I was simply blown away by the tight wooded fairways and elevation changes at this course. In fact, other than some ski slope courses this may be some of the biggest extreme elevation I've ever played. (out of 200+ courses since 1995) Many times I kept wondering (often aloud) if I was still in Kansas.

Bottom line is that I simply can't wait to get back and shoot these chains again!

I've played my share of object golf over the years - we've put in posts to "test out" courses over the years before getting full park approval, or before the money for poleholes was available. I've played my share of tonepoles, and 5 gallon buckets on poles, and even a yearly tournament dedicated to object golf. But for the life of me, I can't understand the decision to use tubs when a fully basketed course was available. Even in standard course design, one usually uses alternate pin positions to provide some variety and give a significantly different look to the hole. With only a few exceptions, most of the tubs were located within 10 feet of the existing polehole and did absolutely nothing to change the play of the hole other than force layup putts. While I was mostly indifferent to the tubs through most of the day, by the end of the 2nd round "Tubles" I was thoroughly done with it. The tub inside the rusted-out car on hole#1 is maybe one of the most annoyingly dumb things I've ever seen in disc golf.

Get rid of the tubs, and this is a must-play yearly event for anyone within a two hour radius. I thank everyone again for allowing me to join in on the fun, and will be proud to hang my Wood Bowl trophy on the wall when I get back to Pennsylvania.

smitty · Post by **smitty** » Sun Jan 11, 2009 4:41 pm

If you are still around on the 24th of Jan. you need to come and play the Food Drive at the nature trails. I just finished laying out the course today and I think people are really going to like the course.

Friz-Rocker · Post by **Friz-Rocker** » Sun Jan 11, 2009 10:34 pm

the_lung wrote: I've played my share of tonepoles, and 5 gallon buckets on poles, and even a yearly tournament dedicated to object golf. But for the life of me, I can't understand the decision to use tubs when a fully basketed course was available. Even in standard course design, one usually uses alternate pin positions to provide some variety and give a significantly different look to the hole. With only a few exceptions, most of the tubs were located within 10 feet of the existing polehole and did absolutely nothing to change the play of the hole other than force layup putts. While I was mostly indifferent to the tubs through most of the day, by the end of the 2nd round "Tubles" I was thoroughly done with it. The tub inside the rusted-out car on hole#1 is maybe one of the most annoyingly dumb things I've ever seen in disc golf.

Get rid of the tubs, and this is a must-play yearly event for anyone within a two hour radius. I thank everyone again for allowing me to join in on the fun, and will be proud to hang my Wood Bowl trophy on the wall when I get back to Pennsylvania.

There`s no doubt in my mind, that putting into a tub improves your touch putt.[which everyone needs to have in their game, especially putting tpwards water, cliff edges, ob`s, etc.]

mrsenortyler · Post by **mrsenortyler** » Sun Jan 11, 2009 11:22 pm

smitty wrote:If you are still around on the 24th of Jan. you need to come and play the Food Drive at the nature trails. I just finished laying out the course today and I think people are really going to like the course.

Best thing about it, NO TUBS!!

the_lung · Post by **the_lung** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 10:47 am

Friz-Rocker wrote:There`s no doubt in my mind, that putting into a tub improves your touch putt.[which everyone needs to have in their game, especially putting tpwards water, cliff edges, ob`s, etc.]

Tubs that are 50 feet or more from the standard polehole and which significantly alter the play of the hole make at least a little sense. Then maybe you're throwing a hyzer vs. an anhyzer, tomahawk vs. backhand, roller vs. airshot, etc. It's the same principle in standard course design - you want an alternate (or "long") pin to be significantly different from the short pin and not just different for the sake of being different.

Tubs 10 feet or less from the regular basket really do nothing except take away putting from the game. It became very obvious early on that you couldn't make a run at many tubs (especially the directional ones in trees) because a miss leaves you on the wrong side and with little chance to save par. Being 10 feet from the tub with no shot at holing out gets real old, real fast. Having to throw a lay-up putt on 18+ holes got old fast. Having a tub in a rusted-out car with a caved-in roof was pretty much one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen.

Friz-Rocker · Post by **Friz-Rocker** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 11:37 am

Watching football players run through sets of tires probably is the most ridiculous thing you`ve seen too. Have you ever heard of conditioning?You can`t teach anything to close minded people. Good players welcome a challenge everytime.

the_lung · Post by **the_lung** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 11:57 am

Friz-Rocker wrote:Good players welcome a challenge everytime.

A more apt description is that mediocre players like to institute gimmicky things in order to neutralize good players' advantages.

Friz-Rocker · Post by **Friz-Rocker** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 3:20 pm

Now your trying to blow smoke up everybody`s ass.
The guys that came up with the tub concept are 2 of our most dominate pro masters and they could probably wipe the floor with your ass.
Think BEFORE you open your mouth.

the_lung · Post by **the_lung** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 3:49 pm

How sad it is how the conversation deteriorated. I tried to provide honest feedback and constructive criticism about a course and an event which I enjoyed immensely, but now you just want to insult me and try to make me look bad. I'll not be stooping to your level. Good bye, "Friz-Rocker."

Friz-Rocker · Post by **Friz-Rocker** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 4:03 pm

Nice comeback?[no sarcasm intended]
Winfield discgolf history has an element of crazy,fun,unique,challenging and diverse play, and to criticize that without knowing about it.......i guess that`s okay.I just feel sorry for people who know and don`t get it.

smitty · Post by **smitty** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 4:36 pm

Tub golf sucked!

I will say it. The Canyon is kick butt. Throwing to a tub that you have to go around a basket to get to is no fun.

If we were playing 2 groups I guess we could have taken it upon ourselves to play the basket course twice. We were pretty dumb for even playing the tubs.

mrsenortyler · Post by **mrsenortyler** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 5:26 pm

the_lung wrote:
Friz-Rocker wrote:Good players welcome a challenge everytime.
A more apt description is that mediocre players like to institute gimmicky things in order to neutralize good players' advantages.

Never has a truer statement been made

It's as if you've played with Rich for years!!!!!

(Friz likes to push EVERYBODY's buttons)

Ring · Post by **Ring** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 5:46 pm

Tub Golf kicked arse!!!

Man what fun and excitment!! Watching the lung cry about the tub in the car was classic

Great idea Rich and Harv!! Anybody who gets a chance to try this should do it..