The Split

[smitty]

I was in Hays for a few hours today and was able to spend some time at the park. There are several things DD is planning for this years Frontier Open in hopes of making it a top notch B-Tier.

The first is to split the Saturday rounds up a little. Instead of playing 2X24 hole marathon rounds, the plan is to split Frontier into a West and East course. We will then play 18 West and 18 East on Saturday. On Sunday we will play 1 marathon 24 hole round. We will play all the original Frontier holes at least 1 time during the weekend.

I met up with Scotty, and he can show you the holes I planned out. I am going to list them below and some of you guys with more hours at the course then me, can check them out and give them the final tweaking they may need.

West Course: Will be played mostly on the West side of Main.

1- A but about 60 foot longer on the tee. The tee you guys tee next to needs to be the 1 object you don't want to hit.
2- B
3- C
4- 1
5- 2
6- 3
7- 4
8- 5
9- 6
10- Will be the old D tee playing towards Lewis Field
11- Will be up and over the dike, with Big Creek in the background.
12- Will be the classic under the bridge hole
13- Hole 16 original
14- Play along the "Nature Trail" that runs along the creek towards the ByPass. The Tee will on the flat zone just across Big Creek from 16's tee.
15- We will play diagonal across the patch of trees that use to have the short tunnel shot after 16. It will play directly towards the stairs with a fast drop off behind it.
16- Will be original 17
17- Will be from the middle of 18 original fairway to 17's alt tee on the slope.
18- 18 alt. tee to 18 orig. or long

East Course:
1- Will play from behind the drinking fountain by the #15 Shelter to 14 alt over the creek
2- 15 Alt to Alt
3- Either 16's alt long pad (problem is it will play diagonal) or flat spot over the parking lot, over the dike to a temp. basket next to the rock pillar.
4- From the parking lot below 7's tee on the armory side of the dike as far around the tennis courts as we can get.
5- From the "Larks Park" side of the dike, and play between the dike and tennis courts all the way back towards 7's tee.
6- 7
7- 8
8- 9
9- 10 original
10- Walk back towards 9's tee. Play over 11's alt. tee and around the corner. There is a mowed spot past the last Elm tree.
11- There is a perfect Island green. We will tee as far back as possible almost to the home-run fence.
12- Hole 11 alt. tee (that we just teed over ) to 11 original
13- Tee on a flat spot close to 11's alt pin and play all the way to a basket halfway up the bypass.
14- Play from a flat spot to hole 12's alt. tee just across the entrance of the park
15- Play from the "park road" to a hole short of 12's alt tee and short of the trees.
16- 12 original
17- Hole 13 alt to alt
18- Original 14

You guys check these out and see what you think.

[smitty]

For the "normal holes" I will spend some time figuring out flow and making sure we play all original Frontier Park holes.

[Ruder]

I don't get the change on hole A

It just makes the Tee box for B more dangerous.

[smitty]

The first time we ever played A it was back from that Cottonwood tree.

The Cottonwood was the first thing you had to miss. When you play from the current location there is little to no fear of going OB, and the only real problem is throwing it into the pine trees. Which in most cases is a stretch out and pitch to the basket.

Try playing it from a little farther back. I bet you will get some backhand OB's, people will hit the Cottonwood and fly into the crap on the right, people will try to go left of the tree.

I don't think that moving the tee back will really make the tee for B any more dangerous.

Give it a shot and see what happens.

[Ruder]

The first time we ever played A it was back from that Cottonwood tree.

The Cottonwood was the first thing you had to miss. When you play from the current location there is little to no fear of going OB, and the only real problem is throwing it into the pine trees. Which in most cases is a stretch out and pitch to the basket.

Try playing it from a little farther back. I bet you will get some backhand OB's, people will hit the Cottonwood and fly into the crap on the right, people will try to go left of the tree.

I don't think that moving the tee back will really make the tee for B any more dangerous.

Give it a shot and see what happens.

Its never been more than 15 feet from that cotton wood, definitely has never been 60 feet from the tee. When was the last time you played the Frontier Open? Dang. 60 feet back I'm sure would be a good shot I dunno yet. Its just played up short now because inevitably people park all the way up to that tree.

[smitty]

Its never been more than 15 feet from that cotton wood, definitely has never been 60 feet from the tee. When was the last time you played the Frontier Open? Dang. 60 feet back I'm sure would be a good shot I dunno yet. Its just played up short now because inevitably people park all the way up to that tree.

http://www.pdga.com/tournament_results/13942/Open

It may not have been 60 feet, but it wasn't 15 feet. Meet in the middle and make it 34.5 feet. For the record I never posted it was ever 60 feet back. I was just throwing out a starting number.

Really, go and throw it and find the perfect spot to give you the pucker factor. Not so close that it is easy to miss, not so far that it is impossible to make the turn to the basket.

[Schoen-hopper]

The very first year it was farther back. I know because I hit it one round and went in the shiz to the right. I was smart to play an unplayable lie and re-tee. I would have never gotten out of there.