ronconversjr wrote:the Storm has sort of the same relationship with the Wasp as a faster CE Cobra(MORAY?) would have with a Roc.As you should know,the Buzz is a Wasp minus the bead (ie.faster yes,but the plastic determines the stability relationships,it`s that close).
In other words not much more stable than a Buzz,just a little(1/5?)faster
Trying to understand this Ron...
So, the Buzzz is a beadless Wasp. I knew that. But how does that relate to the Storm? Is it the same mold, but with diferent... different what? And is a Cobra a beadless Roc? Did not know that.
I have never thrown a Storm before, but might some time. Never really knew what it was.
sorry,I will try to be a little clearer.The Cobra is an old school Innova driver .It is a Stingray with a bead. It is thinner and faster than a Roc same weight and diameter.Nowdays the Cobra would be considered a midrange.
So far so good?
Okay,the Storm is a Stratus with a bead. It is thinner and faster than a Wasp of the same weight .The Wasp is a smaller dia.Roc (just repeating somthing I heard).Some people, myself included, find the Storm to be crushable .As a longtime Cobra thrower,I did`nt look forward to switching to Storms.What I found was that the Storm is like a "super Cobra".Please remember the Cobra`s I threw were base plastic and the Storms I am crushing are "X" or "Z" and much longer and more stable.
The Buzz is a Wasp with the bead removed.Straighter than a wasp but only the thickness of the bead faster.The Buzz is slower than a Storm. In all these old somewhat similiar molds the plastic really seems to make a big difference in the stability and (of course) durability inherent in each disc .
For example ,most folks have experienced the difference between "D" Wasps and "Z" Wasps ."Z" tends to be overstable while "D" is less so and breaks in much faster.ESP seems to me to be slightly more stable than "X" plastic but considerably more durable.There are exceptions to every rule but hopefully this will better explian the relationship between Storms ,Wasps, Buzzes,and the Stratussauros rex.Oh yeah , the Moray was supposed to be a "super stingray "but experienced limited popularity and sales were weak .
the biggest difference between Storm and Buzz is the height of release (line)that each must have to fly the same distance if thrown equally hard.Storms take a lower line because of the speed difference.
Great posts Ron! Would you go over the "line" that you once "crushed" Cobras, and are now "crushing" Storms with? You are talking high anhyzer line that S's out, right? That is what I would guess anyway. I throw a Champion Cobra for short (any less than a Buzzz, but more than a Challenger) straight drives. But I have released them higher for more "D". Need to try a Storm!
first off,I have yet to "crush" a CE COBRA so I don`t know exactly how they fly....but,the ones I remember throwing were released flat or slightly hyzer and rolled up to a slight anhyzer angle by themselves.For me a 350ft drive was about all I could get out of a COBRA .A few years ago in the final 9 at Emporia I threw a COBRA off the curve of the road to #8`s(jones west) basket.This earned me some skins.The shot I prefer with COBRA`s and now STORM`s is the line drive shot which slightly turns over.
an added bonus to this shot is the way it lands . FLAT.Sliding against the ground instead of skipping.
Mike this ones for you.The MORAY was supposed to be "a beadless faster FLIPPY super COBRA"It was too flippy and not as fast as the CYCLONE it was competing with .
As you suggested I can think of at least 3 ways disc manufacturers have achieved ( or attempted)stability .The bead works by increasing the depth (?)of the inner rim and is most effective on "mid"type discs.The history of disc evolution and searching for the grail of speed with stability is to long for me to relate here.(as I understand it)HOWEVER, the RAM is a great example of a faster disc whose stability was caused by a bead.It`s brother was the PYTHON ,a roller out of the box...no bead!
