2 Rule Issues

Schoen-hopper · Post by **Schoen-hopper** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 11:31 am

There were a couple of thinks that came up in Beloit that I've seen over and over again. I thought some discussion would be good for infoming everyone.

*The first is the drop zone. When you have a drop zone for a hole, you DO NOT have to play from it, unless the TD states that it is MANDATORY to play from it. When you have a drop zone, you can play from it, re-tee, or play from where the disc was last in bounds.

The purpose of the drop zone is not to over-punish the player. Take #18 long at Oak Park, for example. If a player had to retee over that pond over and over, and they end up getting a 15 on the hole and losing all their discs, how fair would that be to the player who can't get over the pond? Sometimes however, the drop zone gives a much worse shot than where the shot went OB. This is the players choice. However, there have been a few tournaments where I have wondered if the TD intended for the drop zone to be mandatory and just didn't say it.

*The other issue is OB creeks. Take #13 or #14 in Beloit, for example. When a player throws into the creek, they are punished in a number of ways...
-Their throw went OB far away from the basket, so they are left with a difficult shot.
-They get a penalty stroke.
-They lose a disc.

Now by the rules, they need to play their next shot within 1 meter perpendicular to the location it was last inbounds. This area is often on the side of a bank (not safe) and covered with tall vegetation. This is a far tougher lie than taking it to the top of the bank and taking the 1 meter up there. Sure the player can take lateral relief by calling the lie unsafe, but that is another 2 stroke penalty on top of everything else.

I've always seen players play it from the top, though technically, this is illegal. I'm wondering if there are players out there who are playing this correctly? I don't think honest players should be punished. In these type of situations, I think the TD should inform everyone that lies can be taken from the top. I know TD's have a lot to think of, so this kind of thing can be easily over-looked.

smitty · Post by **smitty** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 11:39 am

It was stated in Beloit that you could play from the top with out a penalty. So everyone in my group always did. I always play from 1 meter from the water and have others in my group do the same unless it is stated you don't have to. Once again you could always retee.

As for the drop zone hole 9 at Beloit is a good example. You could throw your drive into the street from the tee, you could hit the bank and go into the river, or you could just throw right into the river. All three would be played different. Street chip in circle 3, bank and in chip in 4 from the edge, into creek dropzone 4.

The rule that gets me is verticality? Under a dumpster can you play from top. This happen to Hickman lucky for us he was able to take a legal lie from the corner of the dumpster. What about the stage in Beloit?

Schoen-hopper · Post by **Schoen-hopper** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 11:43 am

Must have missed the on top part at the players meeting. There are a lot of tourneys that do fail to convey this though.

Rule of verticality is pretty difficult to interpret. Don't have a rule book with me, but I belief it is when you lie is located within 18" of OB, you can play it anywhere on a vertical line from the lie within 1m of the OB line.

DUH · Post by **DUH** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:00 pm

What about the rule that you shouldn't shoot fireworks at flammable things, like tents. I think you should've been penalized for that. It was crazy waking up and watching the sparks shower over our tents. It's a good thing Shanmann yelled at you; he should've just beat your A**. You've had plenty of warnings about the fireworks thing. Does someone have to get hurt before you start thinking about when it is & isn' ok to shoot off saturn missiles. For example: At people- NOT OK, At or around tents- NOT OK. Seriously Mike, you're smarter than that.

How can you be so worried about tournament rules & not give a flyin F about people possibly getting hurt?

DUH

Schoen-hopper · Post by **Schoen-hopper** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 1:42 pm

Duh. You said it. It's not fun until somebody gets hurt.

As wet as it was with water in the air and on everything else, there was no way anything was catching on fire. Now for the people inside the shelter, they had some fireballs buzzing around and popping in there. I didn't see them running for their lives though.

Ruder · Post by **Ruder** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 5:30 pm

I stand by Mike 95% of the way. No one got hurt.

Its all fun and games 'til someone loses an eye - and even then its still a pretty good time.

nastyNate · Post by **nastyNate** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:26 pm

the voice of experience!

Sandman · Post by **Sandman** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:24 am

nastyNate wrote:the voice of experience!

LMAO!!!!

ronconversjr · Post by **ronconversjr** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 6:32 pm

It`s important to listen to the TD at the pre tourney meeting.For example, Mace covered both bringing the disc to a safe lie and playing from above your lie on the stage if you could`nt play it as you normally would. These are called discretionary rules or special conditions which apply only to particular situations.

I guess you were thinking about something else when the question was asked!

Ring · Post by **Ring** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:36 am

DUH wrote:What about the rule that you shouldn't shoot fireworks at flammable things, like tents. I think you should've been penalized for that. It was crazy waking up and watching the sparks shower over our tents. It's a good thing Shanmann yelled at you; he should've just beat your A**. You've had plenty of warnings about the fireworks thing. Does someone have to get hurt before you start thinking about when it is & isn' ok to shoot off saturn missiles. For example: At people- NOT OK, At or around tents- NOT OK. Seriously Mike, you're smarter than that.

How can you be so worried about tournament rules & not give a flyin F about people possibly getting hurt?

DUH

ShanMan was so drunk that night I would have put my money on Mike....Out running him