More importantly, I didn't recieve my ballot to vote. Guess I'd better get ahold of someone at the PDGA and find out what to do now
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Schoen-hopper
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I really hope you get elected Ron. I enjoy your enthusiasm for the game and its people.
What do I want from the PDGA?
I'd first say that I think the pdga has been heading the RIGHT direction. The sport has come a long way in a few years. I believe that a big part of this is that the PDGA unites us in many ways and strives to forward our legitimacy.
I think the website has been successful and effort should continue there. I really enjoy having those links on the information page that give helpful articles or spreadsheets for such things as making a course proposal or how the rating system works. I think that this information is critical to growing our sport and it should be improved and promoted more! That is going to take a vision and a strong support rather than division.
One person that I see that has espescially good vision is Chuck Kennedy. Who doesn't pay attention, at least occasionally, to player ratings? Chuck is one of the leading designers in the sport and he is working towards developing standards in course design. He has already wrote a ton on the subject. We are at a point in the growth of our sport where getting quality courses installed is just as important as getting more courses installed. The creativity behind well designed courses sticks with the players that experience it. This is something we all can appreciate. Chuck is right on with many new ideas and his energy goes on and on. I think we should support him as he has supported us.
Of course the tournament system is fantastic. There has to have been a ton of energy expended at keeping it going and growing. Emphasis on etiquitte gives the sport integrity and makes it promotable. Keeping up with the NT's and the touring players is really quite enjoyable.
Back to communication. I also think printed information is essential to our sport. The rulebooks and TD handbooks are great. I also think the magazine is a huge part of our growth. Disc Golf World is a huge value of our membership that I suspect few of us would like to lose. If it was optional, I think this would be very apparent. I enjoy everything about it: the big tourney coverage, the interviews, history, articles on technique or people and places of the game, all the color photos, the unbiased nature... I don't think it is likely that this quality can be replicated at all, let alone at a reasonable price.
My overall view is keep headed the direction we are going. Marketing is critical. I also think that utilizing our members and their ideas is very important to our growth. Maybe getting more open ended surveys on important subjects will help the PDGA get more information on how the PDGA can serve it's members and also how the members can serve the PDGA and its greater cause.
What do I want from the PDGA?
I'd first say that I think the pdga has been heading the RIGHT direction. The sport has come a long way in a few years. I believe that a big part of this is that the PDGA unites us in many ways and strives to forward our legitimacy.
I think the website has been successful and effort should continue there. I really enjoy having those links on the information page that give helpful articles or spreadsheets for such things as making a course proposal or how the rating system works. I think that this information is critical to growing our sport and it should be improved and promoted more! That is going to take a vision and a strong support rather than division.
One person that I see that has espescially good vision is Chuck Kennedy. Who doesn't pay attention, at least occasionally, to player ratings? Chuck is one of the leading designers in the sport and he is working towards developing standards in course design. He has already wrote a ton on the subject. We are at a point in the growth of our sport where getting quality courses installed is just as important as getting more courses installed. The creativity behind well designed courses sticks with the players that experience it. This is something we all can appreciate. Chuck is right on with many new ideas and his energy goes on and on. I think we should support him as he has supported us.
Of course the tournament system is fantastic. There has to have been a ton of energy expended at keeping it going and growing. Emphasis on etiquitte gives the sport integrity and makes it promotable. Keeping up with the NT's and the touring players is really quite enjoyable.
Back to communication. I also think printed information is essential to our sport. The rulebooks and TD handbooks are great. I also think the magazine is a huge part of our growth. Disc Golf World is a huge value of our membership that I suspect few of us would like to lose. If it was optional, I think this would be very apparent. I enjoy everything about it: the big tourney coverage, the interviews, history, articles on technique or people and places of the game, all the color photos, the unbiased nature... I don't think it is likely that this quality can be replicated at all, let alone at a reasonable price.
My overall view is keep headed the direction we are going. Marketing is critical. I also think that utilizing our members and their ideas is very important to our growth. Maybe getting more open ended surveys on important subjects will help the PDGA get more information on how the PDGA can serve it's members and also how the members can serve the PDGA and its greater cause.
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Eaglehigh99
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Rick has the advantage of "having been there" when the initial contract was "let" where all I have to go on is articles I've seen in DGWN and the memories of other PDGA directors. On the other hand, I have the advantage of being there when the board discussed the magazine optional membership and magazine RFP. In other words, neither one of us has all the the facts and information and we are each looking at it from different points of few.
I guess Rick and I will just have to disagree with some of the issues of the magazine discussion/decision.
Nevertheless, I have encouraged Rick to place his best response to the RFP. Rick has a good product (unless he makes some major downward changes) that will be hard to beat.
On another note, I hope that both Ron and Roger get elected. I believe both of them can be a positive force for the PDGA. That is why I encouraged them both to run. Of course, I hope everyone decides to re-elect me also.
I guess Rick and I will just have to disagree with some of the issues of the magazine discussion/decision.
Nevertheless, I have encouraged Rick to place his best response to the RFP. Rick has a good product (unless he makes some major downward changes) that will be hard to beat.
On another note, I hope that both Ron and Roger get elected. I believe both of them can be a positive force for the PDGA. That is why I encouraged them both to run. Of course, I hope everyone decides to re-elect me also.
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Eaglehigh99
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Note to Bangrrr
If you haven't received an e-mail or snail mail ballot by now you need to get hold of Addie at the PDGA immediately. If you need her contact info, go to PDGA.com or e-mail me at [email protected].
Of course, I want your vote (shameless plug).
If you haven't received an e-mail or snail mail ballot by now you need to get hold of Addie at the PDGA immediately. If you need her contact info, go to PDGA.com or e-mail me at [email protected].
Of course, I want your vote (shameless plug).
No more DGW 
The PDGA office received 2 proposals that met the published guidelines. Hard copies of these proposals are being sent to the four newly elected Board members as well as the three members who are remaining in office. The three outgoing BOD members have access to a PDF file of the proposals and will be giving the new Board input, but the final decision will be made by the new Board.
I spoke with Rick Rothstein at the Pro Worlds in Wisconsin and he told me that he would not be submitting a proposal because he needed a break. While I am very disappointed that we will be losing Disc Golf World, I totally understand where Rick is coming from and I wish him the very best of luck in his future endeavors.
The PDGA office received 2 proposals that met the published guidelines. Hard copies of these proposals are being sent to the four newly elected Board members as well as the three members who are remaining in office. The three outgoing BOD members have access to a PDF file of the proposals and will be giving the new Board input, but the final decision will be made by the new Board.
I spoke with Rick Rothstein at the Pro Worlds in Wisconsin and he told me that he would not be submitting a proposal because he needed a break. While I am very disappointed that we will be losing Disc Golf World, I totally understand where Rick is coming from and I wish him the very best of luck in his future endeavors.
Here, here! Kudos to Rick for all the time and effort he has put into DGWN/DGW over the years. Rick and his crew have set the bar pretty high. Let's hope the next publisher can reach it.MOthrows wrote:I am very disappointed that we will be losing Disc Golf World, I totally understand where Rick is coming from and I wish him the very best of luck in his future endeavors.
The magazine may be going away but DGW will still be around supplying discs and stuff in KC and they have started up a website/blog to keep the good word going:
http://www.dgwn.com/
Check it out. Lots of good images from the World's have already been posted.
Eschew Obfuscation
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Eaglehigh99
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Ron, I think I am a little bit ahead of my time but I think there needs to be a day when only certain courses qualify for certain levels; NT, A , B etc. I went to a certain eastern city to play a 2 day B tour and the first 11 holes had less than 6 trees and I could see another 6 holes in the open and left town without ever signing up. This will take the involvement of Chuck Kennedy's information with the DGCD group to be put in place. It would be nice to know if I had two tournament choices for the weekend that a course rating could be looked at to help the decision.
Secondly, it takes money/sponsors to really attract players. When more than a handful of players can make a living at this sport by playing then others can make a living on the fringes of the sport.
Secondly, it takes money/sponsors to really attract players. When more than a handful of players can make a living at this sport by playing then others can make a living on the fringes of the sport.
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Schoen-hopper
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This sounds like what the Course Evaluation group had in mind when coming up with their system. The system gives a 0-9 numerical rating on basics, design, and amenities. Unfortunately, I and others involved don't believe the current system meets the goals of informing the travelling player about the course. That new dgcoursereview.com site does a much better job of that. Something that neither systems have really got down is getting a system for grading or at least describing, course design. That is what we really want to get at with making sure courses are up to snuff and such. We've got to come together on what would be a decent way to do this.discscout wrote:Ron, I think I am a little bit ahead of my time but I think there needs to be a day when only certain courses qualify for certain levels; NT, A , B etc. I went to a certain eastern city to play a 2 day B tour and the first 11 holes had less than 6 trees and I could see another 6 holes in the open and left town without ever signing up. This will take the involvement of Chuck Kennedy's information with the DGCD group to be put in place. It would be nice to know if I had two tournament choices for the weekend that a course rating could be looked at to help the decision.
Secondly, it takes money/sponsors to really attract players. When more than a handful of players can make a living at this sport by playing then others can make a living on the fringes of the sport.
The evaluation group is currently trying to muster up motivation in revamping the system for simplicity, and better description, as well as non-subjective ways of grading design. There have been a lot of ideas, but we haven't really come together with a new proposal.
Anyone interested in giving some opinions on how the course evaluation form could be improved, just let me know. I'll email you the excel form and forward any of your comments to the group.
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ronconversjr
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just to make life more interesting I am now the Ratings Board liason.SSA course ratings should fullfil the spot for rating by difficulty!I agree that NT`s should represent the best Disc Golf has to offer.With all the courses available, as well as those under development,surely we can come up with topnotch venues for our biggest events!
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carlbren21
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The new division sounds great! It needs/ed to be done. I also agree that courses at an a tier event should be the best. I remember at the 2006 KC Wide Open, the advanced division played at cliff drive and tehy didn't even have concrete pads. For an A-tier tournament, I didn't think that was too cool.