26th KC Wide Open

Schoen-hopper · Post by **Schoen-hopper** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 6:14 pm

I think pro2 would be the right division for a lot of players. I don't think we'd have to throw the Masters in to have enough players at all. In fact, I don't think the current age protected divisions would like something like that at all.

Heard some recent talk about wether high rated (old) Open players should be allowed to play with the Masters. I don't see any reason why not. It is an age-protected division, not a rating protected division.

crispinthomascarrasco · Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:12 pm

I too forgot to mention how good Nils played the KCWO...If he decides to come to the rock remind him to bring that #4 tag, I will be taking it back to Wichita along with 1st Place.

carlbren21 · Post by **carlbren21** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 11:11 pm

lol! I'll let him know.... although you wouldn't get the 4 tag from him...

Schoen-hopper · Post by **Schoen-hopper** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 9:10 am

The kid is one crazy flicker!

carlbren21 · Post by **carlbren21** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 4:53 pm

carlbren21 wrote:lol! I'll let him know.... although you wouldn't get the 4 tag from him...

I meant he doesn't have it, not that you couldn't beat him

_dm4 · Post by **_dm4** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 11:22 pm

Schoen-hopper wrote:I can't keep up with the changing rules.

Here is the way I understand it...

You used to have to petition for am status in order for pros who have accepted cash to play am. Now it is solely based on ratings.

Players who haven't accepted cash can play advanced no matter how high their rating is.

What about the flip side? Can't ams play pro and take prizes instead of cash and retain am status?

What about trophy only? Can you play pro for half the entry fee or something like that and prize out trophy only? Is this only at certain events? Obviously not every tourney does trophies.

From what I have read, an am can play pro, but if they want to stay am, they cannot take anything (prizes or cash). Also, ams can play for trophy only for a reduced fee (pro's as well), which would be decided by the TD, and they would not get any cash if they did win.

Schoen-hopper · Post by **Schoen-hopper** » Sun Jun 15, 2008 11:17 pm

_dm4 wrote:
Schoen-hopper wrote:I can't keep up with the changing rules.

Here is the way I understand it...

You used to have to petition for am status in order for pros who have accepted cash to play am. Now it is solely based on ratings.

Players who haven't accepted cash can play advanced no matter how high their rating is.

What about the flip side? Can't ams play pro and take prizes instead of cash and retain am status?

What about trophy only? Can you play pro for half the entry fee or something like that and prize out trophy only? Is this only at certain events? Obviously not every tourney does trophies.
From what I have read, an am can play pro, but if they want to stay am, they cannot take anything (prizes or cash). Also, ams can play for trophy only for a reduced fee (pro's as well), which would be decided by the TD, and they would not get any cash if they did win.

I don't know how tournaments are doing it, but what would be the point of an am playing pro for prizes instead of money if they can't retain their am status?

_dm4 · Post by **_dm4** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 11:48 pm

Schoen-hopper wrote:
_dm4 wrote:
Schoen-hopper wrote:I can't keep up with the changing rules.

Here is the way I understand it...

You used to have to petition for am status in order for pros who have accepted cash to play am. Now it is solely based on ratings.

Players who haven't accepted cash can play advanced no matter how high their rating is.

What about the flip side? Can't ams play pro and take prizes instead of cash and retain am status?

What about trophy only? Can you play pro for half the entry fee or something like that and prize out trophy only? Is this only at certain events? Obviously not every tourney does trophies.
From what I have read, an am can play pro, but if they want to stay am, they cannot take anything (prizes or cash). Also, ams can play for trophy only for a reduced fee (pro's as well), which would be decided by the TD, and they would not get any cash if they did win.
I don't know how tournaments are doing it, but what would be the point of an am playing pro for prizes instead of money if they can't retain their am status?

The PDGA wants the am's to play pro, and stay pro! Some guys want to test the waters, so to speak! So they are ams that play pro to see how they will do. They don't get anything for it, but maybe a trophy!

carlbren21 · Post by **carlbren21** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:15 am

_dm4 wrote:
Schoen-hopper wrote:
_dm4 wrote: From what I have read, an am can play pro, but if they want to stay am, they cannot take anything (prizes or cash). Also, ams can play for trophy only for a reduced fee (pro's as well), which would be decided by the TD, and they would not get any cash if they did win.
I don't know how tournaments are doing it, but what would be the point of an am playing pro for prizes instead of money if they can't retain their am status?
The PDGA wants the am's to play pro, and stay pro! Some guys want to test the waters, so to speak! So they are ams that play pro to see how they will do. They don't get anything for it, but maybe a trophy!

I know several who are ams that are playing pro and accepting merch. credit instead of cash so they can retain their am status and play in the larger events (worlds) one last time before turning. But seeing all these people who have cashed in open division, then playing am in the a-tiers and national tour events, makes me wonder what the point of accepting merch credit when they could just take the cash and still be able to play am....

_dm4 · Post by **_dm4** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:01 am

carlbren21 wrote:
_dm4 wrote:
Schoen-hopper wrote: I don't know how tournaments are doing it, but what would be the point of an am playing pro for prizes instead of money if they can't retain their am status?
The PDGA wants the am's to play pro, and stay pro! Some guys want to test the waters, so to speak! So they are ams that play pro to see how they will do. They don't get anything for it, but maybe a trophy!
I know several who are ams that are playing pro and accepting merch. credit instead of cash so they can retain their am status and play in the larger events (worlds) one last time before turning. But seeing all these people who have cashed in open division, then playing am in the a-tiers and national tour events, makes me wonder what the point of accepting merch credit when they could just take the cash and still be able to play am....

Well, according to PDGA rules, if you cash and take cash or merch, you are now a pro! Eeek!

carlbren21 · Post by **carlbren21** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:24 am

_dm4 wrote:
carlbren21 wrote:
_dm4 wrote: The PDGA wants the am's to play pro, and stay pro! Some guys want to test the waters, so to speak! So they are ams that play pro to see how they will do. They don't get anything for it, but maybe a trophy!
I know several who are ams that are playing pro and accepting merch. credit instead of cash so they can retain their am status and play in the larger events (worlds) one last time before turning. But seeing all these people who have cashed in open division, then playing am in the a-tiers and national tour events, makes me wonder what the point of accepting merch credit when they could just take the cash and still be able to play am....
Well, according to PDGA rules, if you cash and take cash or merch, you are now a pro! Eeek!

apparently the pdga has a lot of cleanup work to do concerning this issue....

_dm4 · Post by **_dm4** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:57 am

carlbren21 wrote:
_dm4 wrote:
carlbren21 wrote: I know several who are ams that are playing pro and accepting merch. credit instead of cash so they can retain their am status and play in the larger events (worlds) one last time before turning. But seeing all these people who have cashed in open division, then playing am in the a-tiers and national tour events, makes me wonder what the point of accepting merch credit when they could just take the cash and still be able to play am....
Well, according to PDGA rules, if you cash and take cash or merch, you are now a pro! Eeek!
apparently the pdga has a lot of cleanup work to do concerning this issue....

That's true! And I would say a lot of TD's don't know the rule.

nastyNate · Post by **nastyNate** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:47 pm

_dm4 wrote:
carlbren21 wrote:
_dm4 wrote: Well, according to PDGA rules, if you cash and take cash or merch, you are now a pro! Eeek!
apparently the pdga has a lot of cleanup work to do concerning this issue....
That's true! And I would say a lot of TD's don't know the rule.

i just wanted to see this whole thing quoted one more time!

MOthrows · Post by **MOthrows** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:57 pm

nastyNate wrote:
_dm4 wrote:
carlbren21 wrote: apparently the pdga has a lot of cleanup work to do concerning this issue....
That's true! And I would say a lot of TD's don't know the rule.
i just wanted to see this whole thing quoted one more time!

What Nasty said.

_dm4 · Post by **_dm4** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:37 pm

carlbren21 wrote:I know several who are ams that are playing pro and accepting merch. credit instead of cash so they can retain their am status and play in the larger events (worlds) one last time before turning. But seeing all these people who have cashed in open division, then playing am in the a-tiers and national tour events, makes me wonder what the point of accepting merch credit when they could just take the cash and still be able to play am....

I think you are correct on this, but now, I am really not sure. I remember a couple of times, ams taking prizes after playing in pro divisions but not sure now if they were able to stay ams, or had to move up. Or if the rule changed. Anyway, not sure on the "real" answer and can't find it. Sorry if I caused confusion!