2009 Oz Tour Points Update

[Mace Man]

How did I lose two points????

There was a member that you beat in Herington that never paid his dues like he promised Mace. So when he was taken out, the points were changed for that event.

[Schoen-hopper]

Through Tick Ranch & Colwich

Open
1 Chris Smith 278
2 Austin Streit 244
3 Kevin Babbit 244
4 Brandon Nelson 243
5 Crispin Carrasco 200
6 Leo Deprato 199
7 Brendan Hickman 168
8 Iqbal Jehan 163
9 Nathan Martin 162
10 Shan Mann 159
11 Tracy Ruder 138
12 Ryan Orton 138
13 Kevin Kaiser 121
14 Michael Schoenhofer 119
15 Jeff Ring 10
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Masters
1 Mark Martin 291
2 Randy Brown 233
3 Bryan Guthrie 185
4 Tracy Walker 86
5 Tom Vierthaler 72
6 Darren Bottom 43
7 Don Mordecai 43
8 Richard Holmgren 32
9 Jeff Owsley 19
10 Randy Mattingly 26
11 Kyle Klinger 10
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Grandmasters
1 Dennis Vahsholtz 109
2 Buddy Kassner 89
3 Terry Burley 76
4 Dave Richardson 69
5 Harvey Barger 46
6 Kevin Rorabaugh 30
7 Bill Paulson 18
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Advanced Am.
1 Ben Wiggins 204
2 Brady Younger 184
3 Kyle Roadcap 171
4 Bo Carrasco 169
5 Tyler Pattzner 158
6 Nils Nordgren 147
7 Andy Lynn 144
8 Scott Haynes 141
9 Phil Schmidt 90
10 Adam Mosher 83
11 Brandon Mace 72
12 Peter Mohr 66
13 Josh Hull 47
14 Chris Affholder 36
15 Ryan Beisner 30
16 Bren Nordgren 25
17 Jeremy Rusco 20
18 Dustin Widener 10
19 Kelly Williams 10
20 Kevin Lambdin 10
21 Billie Cabral 8
22 Zach Schweitzer 0
23 Nick Newell 0
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Amateur
1 Jason Adkins 152
2 Phil Jackson 145
3 Bob Hardister 101
4 Brian Nomura 88
5 Jeremy Kindy 86
6 Lars Nordgren 79
7 Neil Killian 70
8 James Fawcett 68
9 Jerry Powell 58
10 Scott Miller 52
11 Don Zimmerman 47
12 Shawn Jiminez 42
13 Scott Carpenter 40
14 Josh Luinstra 38
15 Dave Caldwell 30
16 Tyson Jones 29
17 Chris Tyler 26
18 Kurt Meier 21
19 Lloyd Majors 21
20 Charles Marin 11
21 Bryan Tracy 10
22 John Moloney 3
23 Todd Allison 0
24 Scott Faga 0
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Am. Masters
1 Dave Wismer 98
2 Tom Thompson 80
3 Charles Dickinson 50
4 Tom Osborn 22
5 Brian Shields 20
6 Terry Ison 11
7 Doc Norby 5
8 Harvey Wall 0
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Women
1 Robin Reimer 92
2 Miranda Fulton 60
3 Kile Byington 36
4 Tracy Johnson 10
5 Jamelle Zablan 1
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Junior
1 Charles Dickinson Jr. 65
2 Plamen Iantchev 10
3 John Mosher 6
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97 members

[Schoen-hopper]

Points for Colwich were figured from the first round scores only. I realize that these do not directly resemble the order of the payout, as a partial 2nd round was counted towards the final results. I think that what was done worked fine for divisional payouts. The points are calculated independent of division though. So when you have players that have completed a different number of holes, different holes, and completed a different number of holes in adverse conditions (heavy rain, in this case).... there is no concrete and fair way to figure them. An estimation was made and I chose not to use it. Important to note that only a handful of people would have had a different number of points from the event and that the largest was 3x2=6 points different. The main reason was to have a standard, if we didn't already. Points need to be figured from complete rounds where all players play the same holes.

[Schoen-hopper]

If there was one adjustment that I would make, it would be to give the DFL person a bit more than the standard 1,2 or 3 points (say 5, 10 or 15 depending on what level the tournament is), and then apply the +1, +2, +3 per person beat/tied from there. In NASCAR for instance, I think the last place driver still gets around 20% of the points that the winner does. This might keep points races more competitive, and reward folks more for showing up.
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I can see how the low points for finishing near the back of the member list (even when beating some non-members) can be demoralizing.

One idea like what Scott is mentioning here would be to give something like 5 points for participation instead of the 1 point we give currently. This would widen the gap between players though as number of events attended would become more critical.

Another idea that would radically change the point system, would be to calculate from the top down. Set a number of points each event is worth. Like 150 points for 2 dayers, 100 points for supertours, & 50 for a normal event. The winner would get that number and the players would decrease from there. I think that this would be more unfair than the current system because players would average more points when fewer members attended. That certainly doesn't make sense. Just thinking out loud here. There may be no real way change the system without creating more problems than it would solve.

The main problem I would like to work on is getting the people to join or renew who know they won't play a large number of events. We've changed qualifying rules to make it much easier to qualify (adding several divisions, not just pro & am, and giving 2 tourney qualifiers in each division in addition to the top third, among others...). The list of things you get from the KDGA has grown so much over the years that the points race should seem like a small part of the package. Though the $50 average per qualified finals player is huge! But that's just the icing on the cake. How about this years disc, shirt, & bag tag? Well worth the entry in my opinion!

[Schoen-hopper]

Here is an update for previous tournaments for these most recent sign ups. Here are the tournaments I'm seing for each. Previous tourneys being before the Rock and after Wellington Food Drive, including:
WYCO
Monkey Island
Fuzzy Pony
Topeka CCCC
Herington
Glass Blown Open
Tick Ranch
Colwich

Phillip Gugler: none
Chris Jones: CCCC
Thomas Sowersby: none
Jarod Weins: Colwich
Ron Klein: WYCO, Monkey, Pony, CCCC, GBO
Deb Imel: GBO
Zac Young: GBO
Trent Martin: none
Tony Blair: none
Mike Junod: none
Jacob Trimbath: none

Please let me know if I am missing any.

Open
1 Chris Smith 290
2 Kevin Babbit 258
3 Brandon Nelson 255
4 Austin Streit 254
5 Crispin Carrasco 210
6 Leo Deprato 203
7 Brendan Hickman 178
8 Iqbal Jehan 174
9 Nathan Martin 171
10 Shan Mann 168
11 Tracy Ruder 149
12 Ryan Orton 149
13 Kevin Kaiser 130
14 Michael Schoenhofer 128
15 Jeff Ring 10
16 Chris Jones 8
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Masters
1 Mark Martin 304
2 Randy Brown 247
3 Bryan Guthrie 196
4 Tracy Walker 97
5 Tom Vierthaler 72
6 Darren Bottom 43
7 Don Mordecai 43
8 Richard Holmgren 32
9 Randy Mattingly 28
10 Jeff Owsley 19
11 Kyle Klinger 10
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Grandmasters
1 Dennis Vahsholtz 117
2 Buddy Kassner 92
3 Terry Burley 76
4 Dave Richardson 69
5 Harvey Barger 46
6 Kevin Rorabaugh 32
7 Bill Paulson 18
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Advanced Am.
1 Ben Wiggins 217
2 Brady Younger 193
3 Kyle Roadcap 183
4 Bo Carrasco 180
5 Tyler Pattzner 169
6 Nils Nordgren 158
7 Andy Lynn 152
8 Scott Haynes 150
9 Phil Schmidt 94
10 Adam Mosher 92
11 Brandon Mace 72
12 Peter Mohr 69
13 Zac Young 69
14 Josh Hull 47
15 Chris Affholder 36
16 Ryan Beisner 30
17 Bren Nordgren 27
18 Jeremy Rusco 20
19 Dustin Widener 10
20 Kelly Williams 10
21 Kevin Lambdin 10
22 Billie Cabral 8
23 Zach Schweitzer 0
24 Nick Newell 0
25 Trent Martin 0
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Amateur
1 Jason Adkins 161
2 Phil Jackson 150
3 Bob Hardister 104
4 Brian Nomura 91
5 Jeremy Kindy 89
6 Lars Nordgren 85
7 Neil Killian 73
8 James Fawcett 71
9 Jerry Powell 61
10 Scott Miller 55
11 Don Zimmerman 50
12 Scott Carpenter 43
13 Shawn Jiminez 42
14 Josh Luinstra 38
15 Dave Caldwell 30
16 Tyson Jones 29
17 Chris Tyler 28
18 Lloyd Majors 24
19 Kurt Meier 21
20 Charles Marin 11
21 Bryan Tracy 10
22 Jarod Weins 6
23 John Moloney 3
24 Todd Allison 0
25 Scott Faga 0
26 Phillip Gugler 0
27 Thomas Sowersby 0
28 Tony Blair 0
29 Mike Junod 0
30 Jacob Trimbath 0
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Am. Masters
1 Ron Klein 148
2 Dave Wismer 105
3 Tom Thompson 80
4 Charles Dickinson 53
5 Tom Osborn 22
6 Brian Shields 20
7 Terry Ison 11
8 Doc Norby 5
9 Harvey Wall 0
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Women
1 Robin Reimer 97
2 Miranda Fulton 63
3 Kile Byington 36
4 Deb Imel 12
5 Tracy Johnson 10
6 Jamelle Zablan 1
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Junior
1 Charles Dickinson Jr. 68
2 Plamen Iantchev 10
3 John Mosher 6
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107 members

[Schoen-hopper]

Through the Rock (Triple Points!). Pimp Smitty is back on top!

Open
1 Chris Smith 425
2 Austin Streit 367
3 Crispin Carrasco 342
4 Brendan Hickman 301
5 Nathan Martin 300
6 Tracy Ruder 269
7 Kevin Babbit 258
8 Brandon Nelson 255
9 Leo Deprato 203
10 Iqbal Jehan 174
11 Shan Mann 168
12 Ryan Orton 149
13 Kevin Kaiser 130
14 Michael Schoenhofer 128
15 Chris Jones 104
16 Jeff Ring 10
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Masters
1 Randy Brown 373
2 Mark Martin 304
3 Bryan Guthrie 196
4 Tom Vierthaler 149
5 Don Mordecai 143
6 Darren Bottom 135
7 Randy Mattingly 120
8 Tracy Walker 97
9 Richard Holmgren 32
10 Jeff Owsley 19
11 Kyle Klinger 10
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Grandmasters
1 Dennis Vahsholtz 117
2 Buddy Kassner 92
3 Terry Burley 76
4 Dave Richardson 69
5 Harvey Barger 46
6 Kevin Rorabaugh 32
7 Bill Paulson 18
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Advanced Am.
1 Ben Wiggins 330
2 Bo Carrasco 297
3 Brady Younger 262
4 Andy Lynn 260
5 Scott Haynes 227
6 Adam Mosher 197
7 Kyle Roadcap 183
8 Tyler Pattzner 169
9 Phil Schmidt 160
10 Nils Nordgren 158
11 Zac Young 150
12 Brandon Mace 132
13 Trent Martin 101
14 Chris Affholder 99
15 Peter Mohr 69
16 Kelly Williams 52
17 Josh Hull 47
18 Ryan Beisner 30
19 Bren Nordgren 27
20 Jeremy Rusco 20
21 Dustin Widener 10
22 Kevin Lambdin 10
23 Billie Cabral 8
24 Zach Schweitzer 0
25 Nick Newell 0
.
Amateur
1 Phil Jackson 236
2 Jason Adkins 214
3 James Fawcett 109
4 Bob Hardister 104
5 Shawn Jiminez 95
6 Brian Nomura 91
7 Jeremy Kindy 89
8 Lars Nordgren 85
9 Don Zimmerman 74
10 Chris Tyler 74
11 Neil Killian 73
12 Mike Junod 72
13 Jerry Powell 61
14 Scott Miller 55
15 Jarod Weins 53
16 Scott Carpenter 43
17 Josh Luinstra 38
18 Dave Caldwell 30
19 Lloyd Majors 30
20 Thomas Sowersby 30
21 Tyson Jones 29
22 Phillip Gugler 27
23 Kurt Meier 21
24 Tony Blair 15
25 Charles Marin 11
26 Bryan Tracy 10
27 John Moloney 3
28 Todd Allison 0
29 Scott Faga 0
30 Jacob Trimbath 0
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Am. Masters
1 Ron Klein 233
2 Tom Thompson 117
3 Dave Wismer 105
4 Tom Osborn 79
5 Charles Dickinson 53
6 Brian Shields 20
7 Terry Ison 11
8 Doc Norby 5
9 Harvey Wall 0
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Women
1 Robin Reimer 130
2 Miranda Fulton 66
3 Kile Byington 48
5 Tracy Johnson 30
4 Deb Imel 21
6 Jamelle Zablan 1
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Junior
1 Charles Dickinson Jr. 68
3 John Mosher 26
2 Plamen Iantchev 10

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107 members

[mrsenortyler]

Wasn't the Rock a Triple Point event? If Smitty beat everyone there, and there were 45 members, shouldn't he get 135 new points, and be at 425 isntead of 380?

[Schoen-hopper]

Oh damn! I was really tired, notice the time on the post. I don't know how I get up in the morning.

I just forgot to update the formula from last year. Good new is this is a really easy fix. I'll repost it tonight.

[mrsenortyler]

Thanks!

[Schoen-hopper]

Got that fixed.

[kuneileo]

hey you hard workin KDGA guys, when will the points be updated after last weekend (may 16 & 17)? thanks for all you guys do

[smitty]

Mike will get on it as soon as he can.

[Schoen-hopper]

Update through the Rock for retro points for new members
Bill Baugh
Robert Decker
Zack Owens
Thad Pultz (Herington)
Shane Crisler (GBO, Colwich, The Rock)


Open
1 Chris Smith 435
2 Austin Streit 375
3 Crispin Carrasco 348
4 Brendan Hickman 307
5 Nathan Martin 306
6 Tracy Ruder 272
7 Kevin Babbit 261
8 Brandon Nelson 260
9 Leo Deprato 205
10 Iqbal Jehan 177
11 Shan Mann 171
12 Ryan Orton 152
13 Kevin Kaiser 130
14 Michael Schoenhofer 131
15 Chris Jones 107
16 Jeff Ring 10
.
Masters
1 Randy Brown 379
2 Mark Martin 309
3 Bryan Guthrie 199
4 Tom Vierthaler 151
5 Don Mordecai 146
6 Darren Bottom 136
7 Randy Mattingly 121
8 Tracy Walker 97
9 Richard Holmgren 32
10 Jeff Owsley 19
11 Kyle Klinger 10
.
Grandmasters
1 Dennis Vahsholtz 120
2 Buddy Kassner 92
3 Terry Burley 78
4 Dave Richardson 69
5 Harvey Barger 46
6 Kevin Rorabaugh 32
7 Bill Paulson 18
.
Advanced Am.
1 Ben Wiggins 336
2 Bo Carrasco 302
3 Brady Younger 265
4 Andy Lynn 263
5 Scott Haynes 232
6 Shane Crisler 216
7 Adam Mosher 200
8 Kyle Roadcap 186
9 Tyler Pattzner 174
10 Nils Nordgren 161
11 Phil Schmidt 160
12 Zac Young 150
13 Brandon Mace 133
14 Trent Martin 104
15 Chris Affholder 99
16 Peter Mohr 69
17 Kelly Williams 52
18 Josh Hull 47
19 Ryan Beisner 30
20 Bren Nordgren 27
21 Jeremy Rusco 20
22 Dustin Widener 10
23 Kevin Lambdin 10
24 Billie Cabral 8
25 Zach Schweitzer 0
26 Nick Newell 0
.
Amateur
1 Phil Jackson 238
2 Jason Adkins 214
3 James Fawcett 109
4 Bob Hardister 104
5 Shawn Jiminez 95
6 Brian Nomura 91
7 Jeremy Kindy 89
8 Lars Nordgren 85
9 Don Zimmerman 74
10 Chris Tyler 74
11 Neil Killian 73
12 Mike Junod 72
13 Jerry Powell 61
14 Scott Miller 55
15 Jarod Weins 53
16 Scott Carpenter 43
17 Josh Luinstra 38
18 Dave Caldwell 30
19 Lloyd Majors 30
20 Thomas Sowersby 30
21 Tyson Jones 29
22 Phillip Gugler 27
23 Kurt Meier 21
24 Tony Blair 15
25 Charles Marin 11
26 Bryan Tracy 10
27 John Moloney 3
28 Todd Allison 0
29 Scott Faga 0
30 Jacob Trimbath 0
31 Bill Baugh 0
32 Zack Owens 0
.
Am. Masters
1 Ron Klein 233
2 Tom Thompson 118
3 Dave Wismer 105
4 Tom Osborn 79
5 Charles Dickinson 53
6 Thad Pultz 36
7 Brian Shields 20
8 Terry Ison 11
9 Doc Norby 5
10 Harvey Wall 0
11 Robert Decker 0
.
Women
1 Robin Reimer 130
2 Miranda Fulton 66
3 Kile Byington 48
4 Tracy Johnson 30
5 Deb Imel 21
6 Jamelle Zablan 1
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Junior
1 Charles Dickinson Jr. 68
2 John Mosher 26
3 Plamen Iantchev 10
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112 members

[Schoen-hopper]

Update through Manhattan, 5/14

Open
1 Chris Smith 467
2 Crispin Carrasco 376
3 Austin Streit 375
4 Brendan Hickman 307
5 Nathan Martin 306
6 Kevin Babbit 292
7 Tracy Ruder 272
8 Brandon Nelson 260
9 Leo Deprato 235
10 Shan Mann 194
11 Iqbal Jehan 177
12 Ryan Orton 152
13 Kevin Kaiser 149
14 Michael Schoenhofer 131
15 Chris Jones 131
16 Jeff Ring 10
.
Masters
1 Randy Brown 379
2 Mark Martin 309
3 Bryan Guthrie 199
4 Tom Vierthaler 168
5 Don Mordecai 146
6 Darren Bottom 136
7 Randy Mattingly 121
8 Tracy Walker 97
9 Richard Holmgren 32
10 Jeff Owsley 39
11 Kyle Klinger 10
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Grandmasters
1 Dennis Vahsholtz 120
2 Buddy Kassner 103
3 Dave Richardson 84
4 Terry Burley 78
5 Harvey Barger 71
6 Kevin Rorabaugh 32
7 Bill Paulson 18
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Advanced Am.
1 Ben Wiggins 364
2 Bo Carrasco 328
3 Andy Lynn 286
4 Brady Younger 265
5 Shane Crisler 244
6 Scott Haynes 232
7 Adam Mosher 200
8 Kyle Roadcap 186
9 Phil Schmidt 180
10 Tyler Pattzner 174
11 Nils Nordgren 161
12 Zac Young 150
13 Brandon Mace 140
14 Trent Martin 104
15 Chris Affholder 99
16 Peter Mohr 69
17 Kelly Williams 52
18 Josh Hull 47
19 Ryan Beisner 30
20 Bren Nordgren 27
21 Jeremy Rusco 20
22 Billie Cabral 13
23 Dustin Widener 10
24 Kevin Lambdin 10
25 Zach Schweitzer 0
26 Nick Newell 0
.
Amateur
1 Phil Jackson 254
2 Jason Adkins 214
3 Bob Hardister 117
4 James Fawcett 109
5 Jeremy Kindy 97
6 Shawn Jiminez 95
7 Brian Nomura 91
8 Neil Killian 87
9 Lars Nordgren 85
10 Chris Tyler 80
11 Don Zimmerman 74
12 Mike Junod 72
13 Jerry Powell 64
14 Scott Miller 55
15 Jarod Weins 53
16 Scott Carpenter 43
17 Josh Luinstra 38
18 Dave Caldwell 30
19 Lloyd Majors 30
20 Thomas Sowersby 30
21 Tyson Jones 30
22 Phillip Gugler 27
23 Kurt Meier 21
24 Tony Blair 15
25 Charles Marin 11
26 Bryan Tracy 10
30 Jacob Trimbath 4
27 John Moloney 3
31 Bill Baugh 2
28 Todd Allison 0
29 Scott Faga 0
32 Zack Owens 0
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Am. Masters
1 Ron Klein 253
2 Tom Thompson 128
3 Dave Wismer 105
4 Tom Osborn 89
5 Charles Dickinson 53
6 Thad Pultz 49
7 Brian Shields 20
8 Terry Ison 11
9 Doc Norby 5
10 Harvey Wall 0
11 Robert Decker 0
.
Women
1 Robin Reimer 130
2 Miranda Fulton 66
3 Kile Byington 48
4 Tracy Johnson 30
5 Deb Imel 21
6 Jamelle Zablan 1
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Junior
1 Charles Dickinson Jr. 68
2 John Mosher 26
3 Plamen Iantchev 10
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112 members

[Schoen-hopper]

Through Pratt, 5/23

Open
1 Chris Smith 535
2 Crispin Carrasco 441
3 Austin Streit 375
4 Brendan Hickman 372
5 Nathan Martin 306
6 Leo Deprato 296
7 Kevin Babbit 292
8 Tracy Ruder 272
9 Brandon Nelson 260
10 Shan Mann 243
11 Iqbal Jehan 177
12 Ryan Orton 152
13 Kevin Kaiser 149
14 Michael Schoenhofer 131
15 Chris Jones 131
16 Jeff Ring 49
.
Masters
1 Randy Brown 379
2 Mark Martin 309
3 Tom Vierthaler 225
4 Bryan Guthrie 199
5 Darren Bottom 188
6 Don Mordecai 185
7 Randy Mattingly 167
8 Tracy Walker 97
9 Jeff Owsley 39
10 Richard Holmgren 32
11 Kyle Klinger 10
.
Grandmasters
1 Dennis Vahsholtz 177
2 Buddy Kassner 142
3 Dave Richardson 133
4 Harvey Barger 125
5 Terry Burley 117
6 Kevin Rorabaugh 93
7 Bill Paulson 18
.
Advanced Am.
1 Ben Wiggins 403
2 Bo Carrasco 367
3 Andy Lynn 286
4 Brady Younger 265
5 Shane Crisler 244
6 Scott Haynes 232
7 Adam Mosher 200
8 Kyle Roadcap 186
9 Phil Schmidt 180
10 Zac Young 180
11 Tyler Pattzner 174
12 Nils Nordgren 161
13 Bob Hardister 140
14 Brandon Mace 140
15 Trent Martin 104
16 Chris Affholder 99
17 Peter Mohr 69
18 Kelly Williams 52
19 Josh Hull 47
20 Ryan Beisner 30
21 Bren Nordgren 27
22 Jeremy Rusco 20
23 Billie Cabral 13
24 Dustin Widener 10
25 Kevin Lambdin 10
26 Zach Schweitzer 0
27 Nick Newell 0
.
Amateur
1 Phil Jackson 280
2 Jason Adkins 244
3 James Fawcett 109
4 Jeremy Kindy 100
5 Shawn Jiminez 95
6 Chris Tyler 93
7 Don Zimmerman 93
8 Brian Nomura 91
9 Neil Killian 87
10 Jerry Powell 87
11 Lars Nordgren 85
12 Mike Junod 72
13 Scott Miller 55
14 Jarod Weins 53
15 Scott Carpenter 43
16 Lloyd Majors 43
17 Josh Luinstra 38
18 Tyson Jones 33
19 Dave Caldwell 30
20 Thomas Sowersby 30
21 Phillip Gugler 27
22 Kurt Meier 21
23 Tony Blair 15
24 Charles Marin 11
25 Bryan Tracy 10
26 Jacob Trimbath 4
27 John Moloney 3
28 Bill Baugh 2
29 Todd Allison 0
30 Scott Faga 0
31 Zack Owens 0
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Am. Masters
1 Ron Klein 253
2 Tom Thompson 128
3 Dave Wismer 105
4 Tom Osborn 89
5 Charles Dickinson 61
6 Thad Pultz 49
7 Brian Shields 30
8 Robert Decker 19
9 Terry Ison 11
10 Doc Norby 5
11 Harvey Wall 0
.
Women
1 Robin Reimer 146
2 Miranda Fulton 66
3 Kile Byington 48
4 Tracy Johnson 30
5 Deb Imel 21
6 Jamelle Zablan 1
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Junior
1 Charles Dickinson Jr. 74
2 John Mosher 26
3 Plamen Iantchev 10
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112 members