Kansas Disc Golf Association

To appease some curiousity, I will post some different versions of the tour points with other means used for tabulating points.

I am not convinced that a more fair system can be reached by changing the way the points are calculated. As it is, with double and triple points events, both attendance and performance are important. By changing it, it may actually weaken the balance. Since we aren't talking about putting a max on number of tourneys (which would emphasize performance even more strongly), but are reducing the double and triple weighted tournaments, this would make participation a bigger factor. I'm not really against this. We have fewer members this year than in the last 2-3 years, but I have a hunch that the members averaged attending more events this year, even with a couple less total events in the season. The supertour double and triple points events were created so that each region would get 3 big events based on the previous year's attendance. Would eliminating this hurt participant, or encourage it more? With the double points events, the points get spread out more, but there is more chance for catching up, so the point race changes more. Positive or negative? The main draw back with single points events only is that some players who attend nearly every event cannot be caught up to, no matter how much better some of the other players play. I think the particiapation factor is very important, but it shouldn't be so heavily weighted that those players who cannot attend many events don't have a chance.

The first is with all tour events being worth single points. This is the one that will be the most different from the current method. I left the listing order the same so it would be more easy to see how the rankings change with the current points system. Note that the Ice Bowls are still worth 10 points each and there is still a 10 point minum for the winner of the low attended events. These two things make a much bigger difference when every event is just worth single points.

1 Ron Convers 550
3 Crispin Carrasco 475
2 Phil Jackson 479
4 Austin Streit 468
5 Brandon Nelson 397
6 Chris Smith 387
8 Tracy Ruder 356
7 Ben Wiggins 362
9 Bo Carrasco 295
10 Joe Hesting 280
11 Brendan Hickman 238
13 Ronnie Unruh 202
12 Nate Martin 227
14 Ben Maass 164
17 Shan Mann 136
16 Chris Jones 155
15 Jeff Ring 162
18 Jeremy Rusco 115
18 Leo Deprato 115
18 Eric McCabe 115
21 Scott Reek 71
22 Michael Schoenhofer 51
23 Nils Nordgren 19
24 Bren Nordgren 10
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Masters
1 Jared Kintzel 516
2 Curtis Broadhurst 448
3 Randy Brown 375
5 Darren Bottom 203
4 Don Mordecai 212
6 Mike Speer 194
10 Danny Knox 146
7 Tom Vierthaler 172
9 Brandon Mace 156
8 Iqbal Jehan 158
11 Richard Holmgren 108
13 Jackie Massell 91
12 Mark Salada 92
14 Gary Harvey 59
15 Hal Kurz 0
16 Kyle Klinger 0
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Grandmasters
2 Dennis Vahsholtz 124
1 Buddy Kassner 130
4 Kevin Rorabaugh 91
3 Harvey Barger 111
6 Terry Burley 81
5 Dave Richardson 84
6 Bill Paulson 81
8 Bruce Hudson 34
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Advanced Am.
1 J.D. Wyatt 288
3 Jason Adkins 246
4 Jeff Vest 235
6 Scott Haynes 217
2 Casey Fluty 247
7 Brandon Tull 205
5 Phil Schmidt 234
9 Jason Snodgrass 153
10 Cort Hughes 141
11 Tyler Patzner 136
8 Steven Deere 158
12 Adam Mosher 102
13 Andy Lyne 94
14 Seth Toepfer 39
15 Kevin Lambdin 25
16 Tom Graham 1
17 Dan Decker 0
18 Adam Searle 0
19 Trent Martin 0
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Amateur
1 Don Zimmerman 127
3 Loyd Majors 101
4 Taylor Camp 95
2 Jeremy Kindy 106
6 Branden Rusk 88
5 Russ Trice 89
7 Kevin Elrod 73
12 Kyle Kuhn 49
11 Jason Childre 57
9 Jacob Rothweiler 61
8 Kent Lockhart 68
15 James Fawcett 39
16 Tyler Smith 37
14 Caleb Campbell 46
10 Arty Hicks 59
12 Chris Tyler 49
16 Scott Carpenter 37
19 Jeff Updegrove 28
18 Tony Blair 29
20 Damen Workentin 26
20 Scott Donaldson 26
23 Kurtis Meier 15
25 John Mosher 12
24 Mark Kewley 13
22 Bryan Grossbach 21
27 Rick Petrie 10
29 Harry Shimp 8
28 Adam Bleything 9
25 Vince Naccarato 12
30 Eric Frayley 2
31 Jerry Powell 0
32 Nathan Smiley 0
33 Kyle McCready 0
34 Lars Nordgren 0
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Am. Masters
1 Greg Larmer 162
2 Tom Osborn 131
3 Dale Bare 95
5 Bob Decker 77
4 Tom Thompson 82
6 Don Moore 22
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Women
2 Mel Snodgrass 38
1 Robin Reimer 44
3 Tracy Johnson 7
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Junior
1 Nicklaus Unruh 18
2 Cameron Unruh 15
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112 members

Summary: The regional qualifiers and tournament qualifiers and Friz Rock all remained the same. The top three trophy winners changed more than the top third. For top third qualifiers, the following was different.
Grandmasters: Harvey Barger in, Kevin Rorabaugh out.
Advanced: One less player- Brandon Tull is out.
Intermediate: Arty Hicks in, Kyle Kuhn out.
Women: Robin Reimer in, Mel Snodgrass out.

Why not make some of the smaller ments triple point and double to get more folks to those? If dd has a event in the itc you shouldn't reward people double or trip. To drive 5 miles. When tons will show up anyways you should have the trip pnts for like norton and Pitt.that would really make more since if you ask me. I drive more than about anyone in the kdga for dang near every event. And I would drive a lot more if you were more inciting!

While it is a good point that big events shouldn't need additional bonuses, it's a tricky situation when you start giving bonuses to the small events.

The biggest problem would be deciding who gets bonuses and who doesn't. Why should an event get bonuses for being small? Sounds like they need to do more to get people to come? Some events I could see this helping, the ones who have a long history in the KDGA, but are out in the middle of nowhere. But if events are put on just to get big points for a couple of people to cash in?

Should the winner of a tournament with 15 players and only 1 or 2 pros get more points than Ron Convers laying a -20 down in a 20 pro field?

Here is another scenario Smitty was wanting. All events are single points except the 2 day events, which are double points. I didn't color it in. But I found that those qualified was exactly the same as with the normal system. Except Robin in, Mel out for Women.

1 Ron Convers 789
2 Crispin Carrasco 684
3 Phil Jackson 638
4 Austin Streit 634
5 Brandon Nelson 570
6 Chris Smith 564
7 Tracy Ruder 526
8 Ben Wiggins 521
9 Bo Carrasco 443
10 Joe Hesting 392
11 Brendan Hickman 363
13 Ronnie Unruh 333
12 Nate Martin 350
16 Ben Maass 209
17 Shan Mann 189
15 Chris Jones 210
14 Jeff Ring 216
18 Jeremy Rusco 185
20 Leo Deprato 161
19 Eric McCabe 167
21 Scott Reek 107
22 Michael Schoenhofer 79
23 Nils Nordgren 28
24 Bren Nordgren 10
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Masters
1 Jared Kintzel 696
2 Curtis Broadhurst 612
3 Randy Brown 511
4 Darren Bottom 344
5 Don Mordecai 293
6 Mike Speer 259
8 Danny Knox 221
7 Tom Vierthaler 222
9 Brandon Mace 214
10 Iqbal Jehan 200
11 Richard Holmgren 139
12 Jackie Massell 134
13 Mark Salada 123
14 Gary Harvey 111
15 Hal Kurz 0
16 Kyle Klinger 0
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Grandmasters
1 Dennis Vahsholtz 169
2 Buddy Kassner 154
3 Kevin Rorabaugh 147
4 Harvey Barger 111
6 Terry Burley 83
5 Dave Richardson 84
7 Bill Paulson 81
8 Bruce Hudson 67
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Advanced Am.
1 J.D. Wyatt 379
2 Jason Adkins 355
3 Jeff Vest 332
4 Scott Haynes 327
5 Casey Fluty 325
6 Brandon Tull 301
7 Phil Schmidt 285
8 Jason Snodgrass 233
10 Cort Hughes 222
9 Tyler Patzner 230
11 Steven Deere 214
12 Adam Mosher 204
13 Andy Lyne 126
14 Seth Toepfer 66
15 Kevin Lambdin 25
16 Tom Graham 2
17 Dan Decker 0
18 Adam Searle 0
19 Trent Martin 0
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Amateur
1 Don Zimmerman 190
2 Loyd Majors 144
4 Taylor Camp 126
3 Jeremy Kindy 138
5 Branden Rusk 118
6 Russ Trice 113
7 Kevin Elrod 100
9 Kyle Kuhn 88
11 Jason Childre 77
8 Jacob Rothweiler 90
9 Kent Lockhart 88
12 James Fawcett 75
13 Tyler Smith 74
15 Caleb Campbell 63
14 Arty Hicks 65
16 Chris Tyler 60
17 Scott Carpenter 44
19 Jeff Updegrove 43
17 Tony Blair 44
20 Damen Workentin 39
21 Kurtis Meier 30
23 John Mosher 23
25 Mark Kewley 13
24 Bryan Grossbach 21
28 Rick Petrie 10
26 Harry Shimp 12
29 Adam Bleything 9
26 Vince Naccarato 12
22 Scott Donaldson 26
30 Eric Frayley 2
31 Jerry Powell 0
32 Nathan Smiley 0
33 Kyle McCready 0
34 Lars Nordgren 0
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Am. Masters
1 Greg Larmer 196
2 Tom Osborn 188
5 Dale Bare 112
3 Bob Decker 124
4 Tom Thompson 116
6 Don Moore 22
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Women
2 Mel Snodgrass 52
1 Robin Reimer 56
3 Tracy Johnson 12
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Junior
1 Nicklaus Unruh 25
2 Cameron Unruh 23
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112 members

So basically, unless we start throwing points at smaller tourneys or more remote locations, we wind up with the same folks in the top 1/3, right?

Looks to me like the point system good the way it is, people are rewarded for good play and participation.

Because it becomes another temptation to draw more folks to smaller events. I am trying to plan for a tournmeant in norton, my goal is to draw a lot of co, and ne players in for it. A cteir I hope to have 18 disccatchers on loan for this day as well. But unless it is worth more kdga points it the KS players will most likely be out numbered. I am not concered about mine though. But I don't see how it would be hard to do it. You have system for double pt use that system for triple and mix in the rest after in order for the dub. Levave some. Single and never make any thing single every year. But to reward turnout for garentted turnout just kinda defeats the expectation of growth. To grow one must try new things. But to try something new one feels the need for reward