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The other Random Rule #20
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Schoen-hopper
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The other Random Rule #20
Hoeppy is playing at the Beaver State Fling. On a particularly wooded hole, he elect to throw a backhand roller. Just short of the green, the disc curls up and is actually leaning vertically against the pin side of a huge tree trunk that is about 7 feet high.
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A) The existing lie. He will have to wrap a leg around the tree from higher up so that he doesn't overlap the edge of his mini.
B) He can play it from on top of the trunk. He will not be touching any limbs that are closer to the hole. 2m is not in effect.
C) He can treat the tree as a casual obstacle and take relief back within 5m on the line of play.
D) He can play the disc immediately behind the trunk even if it is not within 30 cm of the marked lie.
E) He can declare an unsafe lie and play 5m back or from the previous lie at the cost of one penalty stroke.
F) Other. All, none, or some of the above. Specify.
I guess I'm fired at writing random rules. I won't leave you hangin'. Here's my take...
I'm going to go with F).... D and E are correct.
E) A player can always declare an "unplayable" lie. He wouldn't want to in this situation though.
D) Because he could take free relief due to the disc being above the playing surface (assuming 2m is not in effect). This is referenced in 803.08.A.
C) The tree trunk is not a casual obstacle.
B) Here is the big question... Is the top of the trunk a playing surface? What if the trunk was 6 inches tall? What if it was 20 feet tall? What if the disc was 7 feet up in a tree, but easy to get a stance behind? How about a giant vertical shaped rock? 803.08.A specifies "trees or other obstacles" What determines a playing surface.? When the 2m rule was in effect, it helped determine this. Since the rules specifies trees, I assume it means tree trunks too, unless flush with the ground. So B would not be legit.
A) If on top isn't good, the side of the tree surely isn't a playing surface.
B) He can play it from on top of the trunk. He will not be touching any limbs that are closer to the hole. 2m is not in effect.
C) He can treat the tree as a casual obstacle and take relief back within 5m on the line of play.
D) He can play the disc immediately behind the trunk even if it is not within 30 cm of the marked lie.
E) He can declare an unsafe lie and play 5m back or from the previous lie at the cost of one penalty stroke.
F) Other. All, none, or some of the above. Specify.
I guess I'm fired at writing random rules. I won't leave you hangin'. Here's my take...
I'm going to go with F).... D and E are correct.
E) A player can always declare an "unplayable" lie. He wouldn't want to in this situation though.
D) Because he could take free relief due to the disc being above the playing surface (assuming 2m is not in effect). This is referenced in 803.08.A.
C) The tree trunk is not a casual obstacle.
B) Here is the big question... Is the top of the trunk a playing surface? What if the trunk was 6 inches tall? What if it was 20 feet tall? What if the disc was 7 feet up in a tree, but easy to get a stance behind? How about a giant vertical shaped rock? 803.08.A specifies "trees or other obstacles" What determines a playing surface.? When the 2m rule was in effect, it helped determine this. Since the rules specifies trees, I assume it means tree trunks too, unless flush with the ground. So B would not be legit.
A) If on top isn't good, the side of the tree surely isn't a playing surface.