Rule #14

smitty · Post by **smitty** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 8:03 pm

This would be a good one for you to know.

Schoen-hopper · Post by **Schoen-hopper** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 8:29 pm

Seems impossible to assign a penalty for an infraction was wasn't/can't be verified.

smitty · Post by **smitty** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 8:33 pm

I don't know? I would sure like to know if the throw was safe or not before the throw was made.

TanK · Post by **TanK** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 10:08 pm

If there is a question of OB or not, and the player moves the disc before someone on his card varifies it, its a stroke penalty.

Anita · Post by **Anita** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 8:35 am

This rule is the one I've seen ignored more times than any other.

9 times out of 10, when someone has a lie that is close to the OB line and they say it is OK, everyone believes them and never come over to check.

Nivek9 · Post by **Nivek9** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 9:06 am

Anita wrote:This rule is the one I've seen ignored more times than any other.

9 times out of 10, when someone has a lie that is close to the OB line and they say it is OK, everyone believes them and never come over to check.

It seems to me the point is, did he even ask if anyone wanted to check it. If everyone in the group hears him say it's in and then verbally agrees to accept his judgement without looking then it's a benefit of the doubt thing and no penalty. But if the other people on the card aren't convinced and aren't given an opportunity to question it then stroke him one time. At least that's the way I see it.

If everyone on the card knows each other pretty well and trusts the person saying it's in but that person is lying then shame on the group for trusting him

but shame even more on the dirty bastard that lied and may he rot in hell for cheating his buddies.

Better to just keep each other honest by always offering to let others look at the lie before touching it, even if it's clearly in bounds, to remove any doubt. This rule exists for a very good reason.

Anita · Post by **Anita** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 11:34 am

I think that's what happens most of the time. When I play, I'm usually playing with the same ladies I always play with. There is the trust factor present and I have found that the ladies I play with are very honest. They call it out if it is out, so you trust them if they say it's in.

However, not everyone is as honest at the day is long. Others SHOULD expect to be able to check out any questionable lie.

Friz-Rocker · Post by **Friz-Rocker** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 4:51 pm

Cheating is rare in Kansas disc golf,but word travels fast and players are quickly labeled.In 16 years I only know of 2 instances on the Oz Tour.If you have seen someone do it during club or league,they will try it anywhere.

Ruder · Post by **Ruder** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 5:04 pm

Friz-Rocker wrote:Cheating is rare in Kansas disc golf,but word travels fast and players are quickly labeled.In 16 years I only know of 2 instances on the Oz Tour.If you have seen someone do it during club or league,they will try it anywhere.

Out of curiosity, where those 2 instances in the same season or were they the same person?

Friz-Rocker · Post by **Friz-Rocker** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 8:22 pm

They were 2 different years,95 and about 97,and very good T-Rude{Colombo}the cheating was stroke shaving,comitted by the same person.

smitty · Post by **smitty** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 8:32 pm

I know of 2 people being caught shaving strokes.

Also one of the two was busted on more then one occasion bettering his lie.

Schoen-hopper · Post by **Schoen-hopper** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 9:35 pm

Only 2 instances of cheating in the history of the KDGA?

Is it ok if everyone on the card cheats?

Schoen-hopper · Post by **Schoen-hopper** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:08 pm

Seriously though,

I've played with some players that would take offense to "checking up" on them. Even mentioning "rules" in a questioning way can generate bad attitudes from other players on the card that are intended on screwing up your game.

On the other hand, I think I have (not purposely) misquoted some rules while playing in a tournament. So I see how players would be hesitant to take another players word on some kind of ruling. Therefore I see it a great idea to get everyone educated on the current rules. If it's common knowledge, theres no need to argue or hate on one another.

pironix · Post by **pironix** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:41 pm

That's why you should carry your rulebook with you...

Schoen-hopper · Post by **Schoen-hopper** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:50 pm

That's true.

Some players still would look at it as "rule-whipping" (what a term) and take offense if you pulled out the rule book for the sake of clarity. It is better than speculation though. That's what players should realize.

Kansas Disc Golf Association

Rule #14

DJ Jazzy Jeff throws from a lie that is near an OB line, but is hidden from teh view of the rest of the group. He throws before another member of the group can verify whether it was in bounds as DJ claims. How should the group proceed?

Rule #14